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Post by kingoduckingham on Jun 26, 2007 12:23:12 GMT -5
Frodo trying to toss the Ring into his little fire?
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Post by helekwen on Jun 27, 2007 10:27:27 GMT -5
Ela- lol, lets hope that it works! *g*
Ducky- Hmm, it's a possibility, but I just looked up the quote and it has nothing relating to encouragement in it... (I can't be bothered to type it out for consultation, it's in Book 4, Chapt 1- The Taming of Smeagol.
I've no ideas right now, but I will be back! *g*
Deadline is 8:41pm PT today: about 12 hours and 20 mins from now. (Which means about 5am for Ela and Sæ and I, so don't expect me to post the answer! *g*) And can we please have the deadline posted with the questions? It just makes things so much easier!
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Post by helekwen on Jun 27, 2007 16:14:57 GMT -5
I am going completely mad- I read Ela's name as Ducky's this morning! *bangs head against brick wall* So my above message to Ducky is actually to Ela, and I'm looking into Ducky's idea right now- sorry!
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Post by elarith on Jun 27, 2007 16:24:55 GMT -5
My bad for not posting the deadline. I will endeavour to from now on, O Capitan. And sorry for not being on earlier, it's been a manic day involving angry customers, food shopping, crazy dogs and explaining the complexities of Scrabble to a confused Goldmoon.
Checked our Sam and his rope, but he only pulled once and it fell down for him so no luck.
What about Sam and Frodo trying to hack through Shelob's webs? It doesn't match up too neatly but could possibly be a back-up idea.
"In a fury he [Sam] hewed at them with his sword, but the thread that he struck did not break. It gave a little, and then sprang back like a plucked bowstring, turning the blade and tossing up both sword and arm. Three times Sam struck with all his force, and at last one single cord of all the coubntless cords snapped and twisted, curling and whipping through the air. One end of it lashed Sam's hand, and he cried out in pain, starting back and drawing his hand across his mouth. 'It will take days to clear a road like this,' he said. 'What's to be done? Have those eyes come back?' (...) 'That would not help us now,' said Frodo. 'Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in the dark ravines of Beleriand where it was forged. But you must be the guard and hold back the eyes. Here, take the star-glass. Do not be afraid. hold it up and watch!'
Then Frodo stepped up to the great grey net, and hewed it with a wide sweeping stroke, drawing the bitter edge swiftly across a ladder of close-strung cords, and at once springing away. The blue=gleaming blade shore through them like a scythe through grass, and they leaped and writhed and then hung loose. A great rent was made." TTT, Shelob's Lair
So both are hastening to get out of shelob's lair, Sam has a few attempts, fails and is sceptical about ever escaping, but Frodo encourages him to not fear and with his next blow he achieves their end by cutting through the webs.
A bit of a stretch? If nothing else, it's a massively long quote. And the bit I've put in here doesn't really show them hurrying (though it's sort of implied).
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Post by helekwen on Jun 27, 2007 17:07:02 GMT -5
Ducky- Nope, no good- Frodo just stares at it and puts it back into his pocket
Ela- that looks great as a back-up- I'll post it/ have someone else post it near the deadline if nothing else comes up
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Post by helekwen on Jun 27, 2007 19:59:28 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to post because I need to sleep! *g* If you come up with the answer in the next 3 hours, feel free to kill me
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Post by kingoduckingham on Jun 27, 2007 23:14:14 GMT -5
Um, no, I didn't. Thanks Hele!
Guys, I know this is like the worst timing in the world, but I might not be around much, because my dad is thinking about locking the computer away from my brother (which means from everyone). *sighs* We'll see what happens though.
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Post by helekwen on Jun 28, 2007 9:08:28 GMT -5
Ducky- I thought you didn't have your books anyway?
OK, neither team got the perfect answer, but Cel has accepted both *dances* So... new questions:
Mordor: Who boasted of his fighting prowess only later to deny it with amusement?
Team Hank: Whose errand for one taken captive ended in futility?
Deadline is 6:44pm PT tomorrow- just under 36 hours from now. (Which means 2:44am Saturday GMT, so I guess I'll be around to post)
No ideas as yet, but I have plenty of thinking-time
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Post by elarith on Jun 28, 2007 11:50:20 GMT -5
Hmm... Gandalf's letter that Butterbur was supposed to hand to Frodo? Will keep thinking.
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Post by kingoduckingham on Jun 29, 2007 1:41:53 GMT -5
I have my books, I'm just too lazy to open them most of the time these days. However, for this I will make an exception *g*
Mordor's answer (though I have reason to believe they already know it) is obvious (to me): Pippin, boasts to the boys still staying in Gondor, then denies it and tells them not believe all they hear.
Ours could be a number of things, but actually, Elarith's answer (which I hadn't thought of) seems better than anything I could come up with. It could also be Gandalf or Aragorn or Mirkwood Elves, I can't remember exactly which, who are looking for Gollum and end up unable to find him.
I should be around a bit more tomorrow, but I will NOT be around to post the answer, seeing as I will be at work at that point...so hopefully we have the answer before then, so I don't have to worry about it. I would find it now, but it's quarter to 3 in the morning...*g*
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Post by helekwen on Jun 29, 2007 16:40:55 GMT -5
If we were to go for Ela's Butterbur answer (And I'm struggling to think of anything better, but I don't know the Sil well), I fished up some quotes we can use:
To outline the errand:
'"Where was I?" said the landlord, pausing and snapping his fingers. "Ah yes! Old Gandalf! Three months back, he walked right into my room without a knock. Barley, he says, I'm off in the morning. Will you do something for me? You've only to name it, I said. I'm in a hurry, said he, and I've no time myself, but I want a message sent to the Shire. Have you anyone you can send, and trust to go? I can find someone, I said, tomorrow, maybe, or the day after. Make it tomorrow, he says, and then he gave me a letter. "It's addressed plain enough," said Mr Butterbur, producing a letter from his pocket, and reading out the address slowly and proudly (he valued his reputation as a lettered man):
Mr. FRODO BAGGINS, BAG END, HOBBITON in the SHIRE.
"A letter for me from Gandalf!" cried Frodo.' Strider, FotR
And to prove the futility:
'Frodo read the letter to himself, and then passed it to Pippin and Sam. "Really old Butterbur has made a mess of things!" he said. "He deserves roasting. If I had got this at once, we might be safe in Rivendell by now. But what can have happened to Gandalf? He writes as if he was going into great danger."' Strider, FotR
And
' (Gandalf speaking at the Council of Elrond)"I could not follow him then and there. I had ridden very far that day, and I was as weary as my horse, and I needed to consider matters. I stayed the night in Bree, and decided that I had no time to return to the Shire. Never did I make a greater mistake! However, I wrote a message to Frodo, and trusted my friend the innkeeper to send it to him."' The Council of Elrond, FotR
And to show that Gandalf was in captivity:
'(Gandalf speaking at the Council of Elrond, recounting the words of Saruman) "He was cold now and perilous. 'Yes,' said he. 'I did not expect you to show wisdom, even in your own behalf; but I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, and so saving yourself much trouble and pain. The third choice is to stay here, until the end.' (...) 'They took me and they set me alone on the pinnacle of Orthanc (...) I stood alone on an island in the clouds; and I had no chance of escape, and my days were bitter.' The Council of Elrond, FotR
And to back up the last quote:
Captivity: –noun, plural -ties. 1. the state or period of being held, imprisoned, enslaved, or confined. 2. (initial capital letter) Babylonian captivity. [Origin: 1275–1325; ME captivite (< OF) < L captīvitās. See captive, -ity]
—Synonyms 1. bondage, servitude, slavery, thralldom, subjection; imprisonment, confinement, incarceration. —Antonyms 1. freedom. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
So what do people think?
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Post by elarith on Jun 29, 2007 17:02:08 GMT -5
Pity there's nothing short and sweet!
I'd hope it would be fairly clear that Gandalf was the one in captivity but you know how the Hobbits kicked up a stink a few matches ago because we didn't specifically prove something... better to err on the side of caution and throw the whole lot in.
Checked through the Sil and found a few people held captive but no one running errands for them, so Butterbur looks like our best bet at the moment.
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Post by helekwen on Jun 29, 2007 17:16:10 GMT -5
Actually, we need captive, not captivity *rolls eyes at self and posts here first for ease*
Captive: –noun 1. a prisoner. 2. a person who is enslaved or dominated; slave: He is the captive of his own fears. –adjective 3. made or held prisoner, esp. in war: captive troops. 4. kept in confinement or restraint: captive animals. 5. enslaved by love, beauty, etc.; captivated: her captive beau. 6. of or pertaining to a captive. 7. managed as an affiliate or subsidiary of a corporation and operated almost exclusively for the use or needs of the parent corporation rather than independently for the general public: a captive shop; a captive mine.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
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Post by kingoduckingham on Jun 30, 2007 11:32:00 GMT -5
Well, update, Mordor got theirs, we didn't, but their steal failed, so it's 4-2.
Our answer, if anyone cares to look it up for me, is the hobbits resisting and laughing at the shirrifs when informed that they were under arrest.
Mordor's question is completely indecipherable. Heh.
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Post by helekwen on Jun 30, 2007 14:14:06 GMT -5
New questions: Mordor: Who's belief of another's comparisons wasn't in accordance with their own? Team Hank: What proclamation was met with humor and resistance? Deadline is 8:06 pm PT tomorrow... 4:06am Monday GMT Ducky, I'll fish that up later And I agree as to Mordor's question- what the...?!?
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